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Conversations of Socrates (Penguin Classics) Paperback – July 3, 1990

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After the execution of Socrates in 399 BC, a number of his followers wrote dialogues featuring him as the protagonist and, in so doing, transformed the great philosopher into a legendary figure. Xenophon's portrait is the only one other than Plato's to survive, and while it offers a very personal interpretation of Socratic thought, it also reveals much about the man and his philosophical views. In 'Socrates' Defence' Xenophon defends his mentor against charges of arrogance made at his trial, while the 'Memoirs of Socrates' also starts with an impassioned plea for the rehabilitation of a wronged reputation. Along with 'The Estate-Manager', a practical economic treatise, and 'The Dinner-Party', a sparkling exploration of love, Xenophon's dialogues offer fascinating insights into the Socratic world and into the intellectual atmosphere and daily life of ancient Greece.
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Xenophon was born c.430BC, an Athenian gentleman. Whilst fighting for Greece, he was finally banished due to his devotion to Socrates and support for Sparta. Settling near Olympia under Spartan protection, he began to write his treatises, histories and biographies. Hugh Tredinnick was Professor of Classics at Royal Holloway College from 1946 - 1966. he has translated works by Aristotle. He dies in 1982. Robin Waterfield is a self-employed writer with publications ranging from academic articles to children's fiction. He has tranlsated various Greek texts for Penguin.

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  • ASIN ‏ : ‎ 014044517X
  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Penguin Classics; Revised edition (July 3, 1990)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 384 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 9780140445176
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0140445176
  • Reading age ‏ : ‎ 18 years and up
  • Grade level ‏ : ‎ 12 and up
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 9.5 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 7.8 x 5.08 x 0.91 inches
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Reviewed in the United States on December 2, 2011
It is a testament to the clarity of thought and intellect shown by Socrates that both Plato and Xenophon - politically, almost polar opposites - sought to rehabilitate his reputation shortly after he was forced to commit suicide. His appeal to left and right - with each side endeavouring to lay claim to his allegiance and legacy - reminds this reviewer of recent literary and critical responses to George Orwell. With only fragments of Socrates' original works surviving, here the politically conservative Xenophon chose to emphasise what could be considered the more socially conservative aspects of Socrates thought (although "The Dinner Party" contains a few challenges to socially conservative mores!)

To what degree Plato or Xenophon have modified Socrates' views in their own image in 
The Republic (Penguin Classics)  or  Conversations of Socrates (Penguin Classics)  is unclear - it is quite possible that Socrates was too critical and individual a thinker to be a man purely of the left or right. Xenophon's version is written with clarity and little pretence (if perhaps slanted towards the authors own predispositions) and strikingly illustrates Athenian life in general, and the influence of Socrates and his methods of critical inquiry on Athenian thought and intellectual life in particular. Highly recommended for anybody with an interest in Ancient Greek philosophy, culture or history.
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Reviewed in the United States on June 28, 2004
Very few extant works remain on the life of Socrates: mainly the works of Xenophon and Plato. In "Conversations of Socrates" Xenophon writes extensively on the philosophical thought of the master in a forthright and simple manner. Xenophon has not always been praised for his writing style but he covers the Socratic principles thoroughly. The subjects aren't organized particularly well with examples of Socrates' views on certain virtues scattered throughout the text. Nevertheless, since Socrates didn't write his own thoughts we are very fortunate that we have these works.
Xenophon divided his works into four books: Socrates' Defense; Memoirs of Socrates; the Dinner-Party; and the Estate-Manager. Xenophon writes in the second and third person so that we "hear" the Socratic Method throughout the text. We see how Socrates used questions of his followers to teach them to think. His method thoroughly flushed out the truth and often revealed the flaws in the arguments his opponents and followers made.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading Xenophon. One could almost imagine being right there with the master as he shredded the weaknesses in faulty arguments and uncovered hidden truths. His opinions on virtues may be dated to Twentieth Century people but one must remember that it was largely his teachings that had such a great influence on Western thought and ideas.
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Reviewed in the United States on January 26, 2018
I got this book because in Benjamin Franklin`s autobiography, Ben says that after reading this book, he stopped trying to force his `correct`opinions down people`s throats and he began to play the skeptic, the doubter, and in doing so he began to win arguments and people, and sometimes humiliating his fiercest foes, even when his position was the weaker one. After having read it, I have begun adapting my own style of speech and experiencing very positive results, in the workplace, with friends and with strangers. This book is worth reading slowly.
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Reviewed in the United States on February 10, 2024
Another book
History of Socrates as claimed by Xenophon
Pretty sure he was there, I wasn't.
So I have to take his word for it
Reviewed in the United States on June 11, 2012
I really enjoyed this book. Whether it is as accurate or not as Plato, who knows, but it had a wealth of great information to soak in. As is said in the introduction several times, Xenophon does seem to stray, particularly in Book 3 and 4 of Memoirs; they also seem a little fabricated, although I'm sure they had at least a degree of Socrates in mind when written. Either way, I really enjoyed this book and would like to think it's a pretty decent portrayal of Socrates.
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Reviewed in the United States on October 14, 2016
I love Socrates because of this book. Read it with the same mind a 15 year old would read twilight and you might fall in love with this man and Xenophon for delivering such an amazing review of his life. I refuse to read anything by anyone else, about Socrates, because I'm afraid they won't have the personal touch that Xenophon brings to this book. I cry every time I finish it. I miss him when it's done.
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Reviewed in the United States on February 23, 2020
The Socratic dialogues of Xenophon are of interest to all devotees of Socrates. Here we see him using the Socratic method to consul everyone from courtesans to statesmen to lead a life of virtue.

Note the important difference from the early Platonic dialogues. Instead of ending in aporia (indecision), Socrates urges on to his followers rather conservative notions of the virtues. No wonder Xenophon’s Socrates was beloved by the ancient Romans and Victorians.

Which is the real Socrates? Scholars have been debating the merits of Xenophon’s and Plato’s Socrates for millennia. Each reader is best left this decision for themselves.

One point every potential reader should know, however, is that Xenophon’s dialogues are not philosophy. While college students can still enthusiastically debate the arguments of Socrates in the Platonic dialogues there is nothing in Xenophon to discuss. Hence, the long-standing tradition of teaching Plato rather than Xenophon.

Interesting enough and, as one of the few sources about Socrates other than Plato’s, essential reading for those who have fallen under his spell. Those looking for philosophical material can safely pass on these more personal reminisces.
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Reviewed in the United States on September 23, 2015
The book is a little tough of a read. You need to go back and forth in certain parts. I feel that the introductions at each chapter are necessary to understand the background of the dialogues but at the same time they tend to extend a little too much.
I recommend to also read Plato's Socrates.
Wonderful book.
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J
5.0 out of 5 stars Do yourself a favour and read this
Reviewed in Canada on September 15, 2019
One of the best books I've ever read
arvind nevatia
5.0 out of 5 stars Socrates,an able teacher!
Reviewed in India on September 15, 2018
It is a great book and is beyond measure!
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Luc REYNAERT
5.0 out of 5 stars Oligarch
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 3, 2007
Nearly all those who studied Greek in high school were given a much distorted image of the Athenian (and certainly of the pedophilic Spartan) society. Who told us that the wealth of Athens was based on silver mines (the university city of Ioanina is still one of the world's biggest centers of the silver industry)? And who told us why Socrates was forced to commit suicide?
One can find the answers on many questions about Greek society in Xenophon's works, the clever writer of `Hellenika' (`All Persians are educated to become a slave, except one').
In his works about Socrates, Xenophon brushes a lively picture of the `real' Socrates and explains clearly his political views: 'Where offices were filled by men who satisfied the legal requirements, he considered the constitution to be an aristocracy; where they were filled in accordance with a property qualification, a plutocracy; where they were filled by anybody, a democracy.'
Socrates was an anti-democrat and defended oligarchy is his teachings.
What oligarchy really meant for the majority of the Athenians, one can also read in `Hellenika'. Describing the reign of the Thirty (comprising two uncles of Plato), Xenophon states: `The oligarchs went on a killing spree murdering all democratic opponents, more Athenians than all the Peloponnesians did in ten years of war ... when people could vote, it was in full view.'
Xenophon explains one of the main reasons for oligarchic rule in his rhetoric question: `if people uses its superior power to enact measures against the propertied classes, will that be violence rather than law?'
Socrates was a moderate anti-democrat, not as his pupil Plato who fulminated relentlessly against the democratic beast (Gerard Koolschijn). He respected the law: `He disobeyed the illegal orders of the Thirty on the ground that what he was ordered to do was illegal.'
He also was a moderate in his personal life (`to need nothing is divine').

Xenophon's works are key texts for understanding the ancient Greek society (daily life, morals, social issues, drink-parties, sex, politics). They are a must read for all those interested in human history and for all lovers of classical texts.
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5.0 out of 5 stars East read
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 12, 2021
I found the translation to be very clear with good context provided by the introduction.
Ashish Tiwari
5.0 out of 5 stars Great book
Reviewed in India on December 10, 2018
Value for money
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